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Computer Woes

  • Feb. 9th, 2008 at 11:42 AM
toomuchplor: (kick ass ronon)
Okay, so -- here's the deal:

1) Two and a half years ago (or thereabouts) I bought a shiny new iBook G4. It was my firstest laptop and my firstest Mac and we quickly developed an inappropriate bond of pure love. I did, however, keep my languishing old PC desktop because it has some software I need that doesn't run on Mac OS. However, it is dusty and stanky and I would like to unload it as soon as I can.

2) Because I use this iBook exclusively, for both work and play, it is old beyond its years. The Y key is trying to flee the keyboard entirely, the battery hatch is crotchety and flighty, and lately the iBook's PMU has been an utter arse -- I've had to reset it three times and the newest charming symptom is that the computer won't 'wake up' from sleep. Instead, it goes unresponsive and plays dead, so I have to reboot it over and over. The iBook's hard drive is laughably tiny (60GB -- "THERE ARE IPODS WITH BIGGER HDS!" my brother shouts) and its processor doesn't do a great job of keeping up with everything I'd like it to do. (I don't blame Apple for any of this, mind you -- for a laptop, the iBook is getting up in years and I have used the shit out of this thing and it's generally been marvelous. It's just getting oooold.) Clearly, I needed to shell out for a proper PowerBook in the first place instead of trying to get this little economy model to behave like a workhorse. However, I could barely afford this one at the time, so... *shrug*.

3) I have a wee bit of money saved up from my hectic working autumn season and I'm thinking I can afford a new computer. Keeping in mind that new Macs now can run PC software (and I can thusly actually rid myself of the old PC finally), I'm a bit flummoxed as to what I should do. Should I get a second Mac, a desktop version? For less than a new MacBook Pro (which is the new workhorse laptop) I could get more processor power, a bigger HD, and the new Leopard platform which will let me run my old PC software. Or should I just replace my little iBook? Again, I can't afford a MacBook Pro, so I'd be stuck with another econo model laptop trying to do the duties of a workhorse -- but I'd only have one computer and it'd be simpler to manage files, etc.

(The MacBook Air isn't an option, as it really wouldn't work without a lot of peripheral crap like USB ethernet ports and a USB SuperDrive, and it's too expensive anyway and grr - Apple, could you be ANY MORE ANNOYING WITH YOUR SHINY NEW PRETTIES? Sigh.)

The price difference isn't huge between the two options, only about $50. I can't reasonably expect to have enough money to buy a new laptop to replace the iBook for another year at least, maybe longer, so buying an iMac would mean living with the sad little iBook for a while yet. On the other hand, having a second machine would mean I could take a bit of pressure off the iBook, transferring files and some less-used programs off its beleaguered HD. I also have a USB 500GB external HD I could permanently hook up to the new iMac and have tons of file space to spare there.

[Poll #1135828]

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[identity profile] apple-pi.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 06:57 pm (UTC)
I vote for a MacBook. I have one (have had for a while now - over a year? I think?) and I love and adore it. My only complaint has been that I've had to replace the power cord twice. (I liked the magnetic attachment thing, that's nice, since my kids keep tripping over the cord and yanking it out, and the magnetic attachment ensures that nothing goes "snap." But the wire just beside the attachment gets bent and frays and... replaced it. Twice.) Otherwise, I loooooove this thing. It's lightweight, very quick speeds, sharp images, and very hardy - I've bashed it around Europe and the States and it's always come through beautifully.

I have an external hard drive for movies and such, but that said, I can store a TON of crap on this baby - and I do.

Anyway, that's my vote.
[identity profile] toomuchplor.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 06:59 am (UTC)
Grr, the power cord issue! Good to know that it hasn't actually been solved with the new MagSafe thing -- my roomie was the first to trip over my cord on the iBook but the pin bends so easily, I am officially now on my 5th power cord -- or maybe 6th? It's ridiculous either way, with them costing at least $60 each. And of course, not covered under warranty!

I have a couple of friends who love their MacBooks. I guess I'm just concerned that I'll be in the same boat in another 2 years, having made the MacBook do the duty of a much tougher machine.

I think my secret option is to ask my employer to build some kind of equipment subsidy into next year's budget -- something like, I pay half and they pay half. I work for a non-profit so I am sort of expected to have my own work computer but I don't think it's unreasonable to see if the organization can go halfsies on a MacBook Pro in a year or so. And in the meantime, I can try out the iMac thing and see how it goes? I dunno!
[identity profile] juno.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 07:21 pm (UTC)
I'm voting for the Macbook as that's what you seem to really use (given the current state of your iBook) I only have laptops as that's what I really use - no point to me to be forced to sit at a desk.

If you can - save up some more to buy the bigger HD on the Macbook.
[identity profile] toomuchplor.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 07:00 am (UTC)
It's true, I am a total laptop ho. I heart my iBook way too much, tetchy PMU and all. Good point.

Yeah, I can see the bigger HD being a good expense to have, though now I have fewer problems with the 500GB external HD anyway.
[identity profile] inkscribe.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 9th, 2008 08:15 pm (UTC)
If your iBook was still behaving properly, I'd say go for some desktop version with a big drive on it ... you can have it doing misc. whilst traipsing about. (Mine has played dead a handful of times too, but rarely. I had assumed it was due to the extreme cold ... I've had to haul it around even in this weather.)

I mean, I've still got a Pismo that's hanging on there by a thread (erm, if you're new to Mac at the iBook stage then, lemme see ... that's about an 8 or 9-year old Mac PowerBook) and it definitely has power management problems that basically make it impossible to use as a true laptop, but with a replacement power cord and a USB drive, it does okay ... and the kids make great use of it.

For lower-end Mac desktops, I've used and quite like both the current iMac and macMini ... solid OS and cheap. I've got one mini doing work 24/7 and doing so brilliantly without fail. I bought the iMac recently as a recycled demo model, so got a few hundred knocked off the retail. It was still new enough to qualify for AppleCare, so as far as I'm concerned, it was a great 'risk'.


[identity profile] toomuchplor.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 07:02 am (UTC)
I looked at the Mac Mini -- so cute! Actually, I could probably do that using my monitor from the old PC, which is actually a decent LCD flatscreen deal (the newest part of the PC, of course!) I guess I just wasn't sure if I shouldn't just pay a little more and get a new monitor out of the deal.

Thanks for weighing in! Always good to hear the advice of an experienced Mac fan.
[identity profile] inkscribe.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 07:45 am (UTC)
You're welcome. A couple other things to add:

1) Yeah, re-use your LCD if you're going for a mac Mini ... why not? They last forever. The Mini was basically designed for PC users making the 'switch' who had all these wacky peripherals that Mac folks haven't needed pretty much forever. (Again, you being 'young' on the Mac scene, you're probably not aware that the joke about the huge launch on Windows '98 was "Windows 98 ... Mac 88." ;-) You can hear a lot of bafflegab sales crap from PC-only guys, but most of that is either built-in or irrelevant on the mac side ... but you already know that by now. *g*)

2) I've had key problems on this one too because yeah, I use this baby for everything at home, work, etc. (woot for the disabled using off-the-shelf tech!). One thing that helped a lot was getting a silicon keycover. One, it keeps grit out of the keyboard when you're schlepping it around, and two, it helps hold the semi-broken keys in place. Since the new laptops all have those funky push-button keys you might have trouble getting one at Westworld, so check London Drugs (always a good source for Mac stuff and LD guys are not on commission, unlike anyone else). If you still can't find one, I've got one here somewhere that isn't for quite the right model but did okay for me until I found the right one ... definitely better than nothing.

2a) You can get replacement laptop keyboards at Westworld ... I forget what they cost because my "safe sex" ;-) keyboard cover did the trick in the end. Whatever the cost, you can bet it's a lot cheaper than getting a whole new lappy if you can avoid it.

3) My Pismo was one of the two highest-end laptop models available at the time ... and as I mentioned, it's still running decent enough if I don't need it to operate off battery (oh, and it's DVD drive has gone wonky and usually won't recognise disks). My point is that this relatively bargain-basement priced iBook (same vintage as yours) was so astoundingly 'better' than my once top-end machine that I'm honestly convinced I won't be shelling out for the top dollar again. (Just to give context: the Pismo cost just shy of $5,000, so getting the iBook for less than half felt like a dream come true ... and prices have gone down from there more or less.)

That's not to say I wouldn't buy the top-end Mac laptop or desktop in the future ... but I'd keep an eye on getting a trade-in machine. I've known heaps of people who've bought used macs with very few problems (nothing worse than found occasionally on new ones). And even here there are plenty of people who are bringing back last month's shiny model for this month's ... nothing wrong with the machine, they just have penis issues. *evil grin*

4) Back to the Mini ... I use mine to record video security feeds, so it literally works 24/7. Originally I bought a PC-based device for that purpose, but found the damn cooling fan drove me nuts to back to the store it went. The Mini is whisper-quiet, plus small, so it's convenient as all get-out for setup. Your external HDD may well be larger. ;-)

5) Phew! Really? There is no point five.

(Sorry to rave. I'm over-tired and yeah, I've been on Mac since forever and that's when the light of insanity for tech fandom bleeds through *g*. And yes yes yes I've worked on lots of Windows and even other OS-es (hey, I'm old!) but nothing compares. And with OSX? Open Source software is serious geek love!)


[identity profile] toomuchplor.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2008 03:14 pm (UTC)
Thanks for all the great input -- I think I've finally settled on an iMac, as my iBook should be able to struggle on for a while longer and there is a good chance I can sweet-talk my employer into subsidizing a new laptop for me at some point next year.

One more quick question - AppleCare, yea or nay? I didn't get it last time and have had only one semi-expensive repair issue in the meantime (power supply problems, surprise!) -- but then AppleCare would still be going and would take me through to the end of next fall if I had gotten it. It's $200, though. Worth it?
[identity profile] inkscribe.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
I've tended to use AppleCare, yes. With a laptop? No question -- a screen problem alone will be at least $1,000 (last I checked) and the AppleCare is well worth it, in that instance.

I would also want to have it (or company warranty) on any re-built/used machine. I'm geeky, but not so much so that I can reverse the polarity on the sublight engines just to make things work. ;-)

Brand new? I think you've got up to a year from purchase before you decide for sure.

I guess it all comes down to your comfort zone--I've used macs forever, know other people who've used them forever, etc., and sure, the occasional hardware failure does happen, though in my experience very very rarely. Not really an answer, I guess. Flip a coin? *g*

--
One thing I really love about the iMac is that it is so damned *light*. The thin-screen is great, and having the entire computer integrated into it is very elegant. Easy to move around, too. *g* I use it for desktop computing and watching films. Lovely!


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[personal profile] terrio wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 01:53 am (UTC)
I was going to suggest a Mac Mini (which I desperately covet to replace my 7-year-old G4 tower and its 40 GB hard drive that has been making horrifying grinding noises and scaring the crap out of me), but then you'd have to buy a monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Unless you could use the PC's monitor or something? Keyboard/mouse combos aren't very expensive...
[identity profile] toomuchplor.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 07:03 am (UTC)
I could definitely recycle the monitor from the PC, and I was thinking of that -- but I think looking at the price comparison and processor speeds, etc., I thought I might as well spend the little bit extra and get a full-on new desktop. Good thought, though, must add it back into the mix here.
[identity profile] jaebi-lit.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 02:42 am (UTC)
Normally I'm all in favor of laptops over desktops, but at work I switched to a crummy laptop (new office is only on laptops, old office is only desk tops) and I'll take the tower and non-portable but powerful desk top any day now. So if you're okay with the lack of mobility, then I'd go for the option that gives you a lot more power.
[identity profile] toomuchplor.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 07:10 am (UTC)
Well, I'd hang on to ye olde iBook as long as possible, so I wouldn't lose too much mobility there. My brother (who has 2 iMacs, one for him and one for his wife) assures me that file-sharing between the iBook and an iMac would be a snap, which was my main concern as I use my iBook constantly for work things. I would really need to carry many files with me, but I would prefer to work on them and edit them at home with the iMac which would be faster and more powerful.

Hrm... *continues pondering*
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[identity profile] elgraves.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 03:00 am (UTC)
My MacBook is pretty hardy. I pretty much take it everywhere I go. I've had it for 8 month now with no problems. It's as good as new.
[identity profile] toomuchplor.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 07:12 am (UTC)
That's good to hear. Everyone I know who has a MacBook has been pretty happy with them -- I'm just concerned that I tend to use the crap out of my computers between work and play, and I could possibly run down a MacBook just as fast as I've run down this little iBook. That being said, the iBook is doing okay, PMU issues aside. I just need something a little more hardy and powerful for all the stuff I need to do.
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[identity profile] elgraves.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 04:52 pm (UTC)
I should put you in contact with Charlotte or Megan. They use their MacBook for both work and play. I don't know how often they replace them though. I'll ask.
[identity profile] black-siren.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2008 10:31 am (UTC)
I just think that the portability is more useful to you.
[identity profile] toomuchplor.livejournal.com wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2008 03:16 pm (UTC)
Well, just to be contrary, I am going to get an iMac. Ahaha...

Okay, not really. Actually I think the iBook can hang in there for a while longer and I can probably work a laptop subsidy into the budget for *KCA* next fall. That way, I get the best of both worlds! Woot!

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